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		<title>By: CEECEEGO</title>
		<link>http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/27/the-virus-that-learns/#comment-46132</link>
		<dc:creator>CEECEEGO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 02:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i AM VERY IMPRESSED WITH CREATIONISTS SPEAKING UP AND HOPE THIS CONTINUES..THANK YOU FOR LETTING THEM POST]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i AM VERY IMPRESSED WITH CREATIONISTS SPEAKING UP AND HOPE THIS CONTINUES..THANK YOU FOR LETTING THEM POST</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/27/the-virus-that-learns/#comment-43117</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding evolution -- One of the best examples of evolution I like to point out to skeptics is antibiotic resistance in bacteria. Dog breeding is also a great example of artificial selection, which is simply evolution with human influence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding evolution &#8212; One of the best examples of evolution I like to point out to skeptics is antibiotic resistance in bacteria. Dog breeding is also a great example of artificial selection, which is simply evolution with human influence.</p>
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		<title>By: Loula Vretou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loula Vretou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 23:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found the original post about the CRISPR genes in a virus amazing and excellently written. I also read the comments of James Arjuna with great interest. I wish he would have supported them with a few solid references.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the original post about the CRISPR genes in a virus amazing and excellently written. I also read the comments of James Arjuna with great interest. I wish he would have supported them with a few solid references.</p>
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		<title>By: James Arjuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Arjuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 07:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read the entire &quot;study&quot; on the Tibetan adaptation to high altitudes. and it is the same speculative stuff we read all the time.  There is too much faith that evolution took place and not enough discussion of just the evidence.  It is just opinions and nothing else.
And we know that humans have 20,000 pseudo genes that are no functioning, like the GULO for vitamin C.  All we see is an extremely fit condition that had degenerated.  
When we live in certain environments and we eat certain ways we atrophy genes that are not used and then lose the ability to adapt and the environment becomes extremely small until we go extinct. This is exactly the condition of the great apes. 
There is nothing in DNA evidence to support any form of evolution of simple life towards complex.   NONE.

When an existing genetic condition is chosen by the environment also fits with the high altitude &quot;mutation&quot;.

And if you have too much hemoglobin at low altitudes it is called a disease.  That disease can cause blood clots and blood pressure issues.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the entire &#8220;study&#8221; on the Tibetan adaptation to high altitudes. and it is the same speculative stuff we read all the time.  There is too much faith that evolution took place and not enough discussion of just the evidence.  It is just opinions and nothing else.<br />
And we know that humans have 20,000 pseudo genes that are no functioning, like the GULO for vitamin C.  All we see is an extremely fit condition that had degenerated.<br />
When we live in certain environments and we eat certain ways we atrophy genes that are not used and then lose the ability to adapt and the environment becomes extremely small until we go extinct. This is exactly the condition of the great apes.<br />
There is nothing in DNA evidence to support any form of evolution of simple life towards complex.   NONE.</p>
<p>When an existing genetic condition is chosen by the environment also fits with the high altitude &#8220;mutation&#8221;.</p>
<p>And if you have too much hemoglobin at low altitudes it is called a disease.  That disease can cause blood clots and blood pressure issues.</p>
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		<title>By: James Arjuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Arjuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 06:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since you have mentioned bacteria &quot;evolution&quot; you  opened the door.

I only show people the obvious that cannot be denied. 

I&#039;ve read every article on so called evolution of bacteria and guess what, it does not evolve.  It mutates to survive by learning how to digest new foods.  Bacteria is well known to &quot;learn&quot; to digest any carbon based foods that are digestible.

The entire study done by Linski on e-coli does not show any form of evolution. The bacteria remains as bacteria.

In order to show evolution in the sense of the original definition that I learned in school, you must show advancements in complexity that equate to new cells forming with new functions.

Bacteria has no indication whatsoever that it evolves.
It does show that it is programmed to learn to digest whatever foods it is forced to &quot;eat&quot;. 

In the bacterium Nylonase it did this in a few as 9 generations.  (Nylon is made mostly of Carbon. Carbon is not synthetic.)

It made a duplicate gene.  (how did is chose that gene in such a short time by &quot;random&quot;?)
It took the new gene and performed a frame shift mutation on it. Then it put in new start and stop codons in 9 generations.

By the theory of evolution this is impossible.  There is nothing about this that &quot;spells random&quot; mutation.  It is very definite programming to do this.
The odds of it choosing that gene to duplicate is beyond the 1 in trillons.  That it made a frame shift and KNEW to keep the original gene proteins functioning so it could live off the &quot;old foods&quot; while it learned to eat the new nylon shows extreme designed in intelligence. There is no other plausibility.
Then the odds of it frame shifting that new gene segment until it aligned with the new &quot;food&quot; is pure amazing designed in programming.  
Now try to tell me the odds of that as well as the odds of it choosing by random the new start and stop codons.

Evolution believers are amazing that they miss the obvious because they are not  allowed to see it. 
 
By the rules of &quot;evolution&quot; it takes millions of years for something like that to take place.  Yet bacteria does this all the time when forced to adapt.  But it never changes into some new creature with new cells.


&lt;strong&gt;[CZ: Well, here we have an exemplary case of someone not only ignoring the comment policy of the Loom (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalgeographic.com/community/terms/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/the-looms-comment-policy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, which are linked in the right-hand column), but also ignoring a specific instruction to stop using the blog as a manifesto and find a relevant comment to make about this post on viruses. This is totally unacceptable. This behavior kills conversation. So we&#039;re done.

As I&#039;ve mentioned before, I do not delete comments from anti-evolutionists simply because they&#039;re anti-evolutionists. On my own blog, I want to allow people to air their views on science. For one thing, it gives me an opportunity to explain what evolution really is. These last two posts from Mr. Arjuna are just such an opportunity. Mr. Arjuna dismisses experiments on evolution with E. coli because &quot;the bacteria remains [sic] as bacteria.&quot; Only creationists demand that evolutionary transformations that took millions of years in nature take place in a few years in a few flasks in a single lab. In fact, bacteria do not have to turn into pelicans for scientists to be able to observe evolution. If Mr. Arjuna was taught that evolution is ONLY about bacteria turning into pelicans, then he was misled.

Evolution is the change in frequencies of different alleles in populations over time, brought about by forces like selection and drift. Over time this process can give rise to new species and new adaptations. Scientists studying bacteria observe the divergence of populations (a step in the origin of species) as well as new adaptations (feeding on citrate in the presence of oxygen, for example). These changes occur because new mutations--some beneficial--arise in bacteria that increase their reproduction. The mutations and their effects are all there in the experiments, laid out for all to see. The bacteria do not need to know which mutation to acquire--a population of billions of bacteria acquires LOTS of mutations in every generation--sometimes the change of a single &quot;letter&quot; of DNA, sometimes the duplication of a stretch of DNA, sometimes the deletion of some DNA, and so on. Some are harmful, some are neutral, and some are beneficial. Add drift and selection to this generation of variation and you&#039;ve got evolution, whether you want it or not.

Mr. Arjuna shifts his requirements for interpreting the evidence when it suits him. For example, he says that the Tibetan study about evolution at high elevations is just &quot;speculative stuff.&quot; On the other hand, he is sure that our 20,000 pseudogenes were once functional. How does he know this? Was he there to see them acquire their mutations? I can only guess that he accepts they are pseudogenes because they bear a similarity to functional genes. You can infer that they became pseudogenes by examining the evidence in the DNA itself and what we know about biology. The same, however, is true for the Tibetan study. Scientists have learned a lot about how gene variants spread through populations, and so when they compare the DNA of Tibetans to the closely related Han Chinese, they can see how natural selection favored a gene variant because it raised their reproductive success in their particular environment.

All right--I&#039;m done now with this digression.]&lt;/strong&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you have mentioned bacteria &#8220;evolution&#8221; you  opened the door.</p>
<p>I only show people the obvious that cannot be denied. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read every article on so called evolution of bacteria and guess what, it does not evolve.  It mutates to survive by learning how to digest new foods.  Bacteria is well known to &#8220;learn&#8221; to digest any carbon based foods that are digestible.</p>
<p>The entire study done by Linski on e-coli does not show any form of evolution. The bacteria remains as bacteria.</p>
<p>In order to show evolution in the sense of the original definition that I learned in school, you must show advancements in complexity that equate to new cells forming with new functions.</p>
<p>Bacteria has no indication whatsoever that it evolves.<br />
It does show that it is programmed to learn to digest whatever foods it is forced to &#8220;eat&#8221;. </p>
<p>In the bacterium Nylonase it did this in a few as 9 generations.  (Nylon is made mostly of Carbon. Carbon is not synthetic.)</p>
<p>It made a duplicate gene.  (how did is chose that gene in such a short time by &#8220;random&#8221;?)<br />
It took the new gene and performed a frame shift mutation on it. Then it put in new start and stop codons in 9 generations.</p>
<p>By the theory of evolution this is impossible.  There is nothing about this that &#8220;spells random&#8221; mutation.  It is very definite programming to do this.<br />
The odds of it choosing that gene to duplicate is beyond the 1 in trillons.  That it made a frame shift and KNEW to keep the original gene proteins functioning so it could live off the &#8220;old foods&#8221; while it learned to eat the new nylon shows extreme designed in intelligence. There is no other plausibility.<br />
Then the odds of it frame shifting that new gene segment until it aligned with the new &#8220;food&#8221; is pure amazing designed in programming.<br />
Now try to tell me the odds of that as well as the odds of it choosing by random the new start and stop codons.</p>
<p>Evolution believers are amazing that they miss the obvious because they are not  allowed to see it. </p>
<p>By the rules of &#8220;evolution&#8221; it takes millions of years for something like that to take place.  Yet bacteria does this all the time when forced to adapt.  But it never changes into some new creature with new cells.</p>
<p><strong>[CZ: Well, here we have an exemplary case of someone not only ignoring the comment policy of the Loom (see <a href="http://www.nationalgeographic.com/community/terms/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/the-looms-comment-policy/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, which are linked in the right-hand column), but also ignoring a specific instruction to stop using the blog as a manifesto and find a relevant comment to make about this post on viruses. This is totally unacceptable. This behavior kills conversation. So we're done.</p>
<p>As I've mentioned before, I do not delete comments from anti-evolutionists simply because they're anti-evolutionists. On my own blog, I want to allow people to air their views on science. For one thing, it gives me an opportunity to explain what evolution really is. These last two posts from Mr. Arjuna are just such an opportunity. Mr. Arjuna dismisses experiments on evolution with E. coli because "the bacteria remains [sic] as bacteria.&#8221; Only creationists demand that evolutionary transformations that took millions of years in nature take place in a few years in a few flasks in a single lab. In fact, bacteria do not have to turn into pelicans for scientists to be able to observe evolution. If Mr. Arjuna was taught that evolution is ONLY about bacteria turning into pelicans, then he was misled.</p>
<p>Evolution is the change in frequencies of different alleles in populations over time, brought about by forces like selection and drift. Over time this process can give rise to new species and new adaptations. Scientists studying bacteria observe the divergence of populations (a step in the origin of species) as well as new adaptations (feeding on citrate in the presence of oxygen, for example). These changes occur because new mutations&#8211;some beneficial&#8211;arise in bacteria that increase their reproduction. The mutations and their effects are all there in the experiments, laid out for all to see. The bacteria do not need to know which mutation to acquire&#8211;a population of billions of bacteria acquires LOTS of mutations in every generation&#8211;sometimes the change of a single &#8220;letter&#8221; of DNA, sometimes the duplication of a stretch of DNA, sometimes the deletion of some DNA, and so on. Some are harmful, some are neutral, and some are beneficial. Add drift and selection to this generation of variation and you&#8217;ve got evolution, whether you want it or not.</p>
<p>Mr. Arjuna shifts his requirements for interpreting the evidence when it suits him. For example, he says that the Tibetan study about evolution at high elevations is just &#8220;speculative stuff.&#8221; On the other hand, he is sure that our 20,000 pseudogenes were once functional. How does he know this? Was he there to see them acquire their mutations? I can only guess that he accepts they are pseudogenes because they bear a similarity to functional genes. You can infer that they became pseudogenes by examining the evidence in the DNA itself and what we know about biology. The same, however, is true for the Tibetan study. Scientists have learned a lot about how gene variants spread through populations, and so when they compare the DNA of Tibetans to the closely related Han Chinese, they can see how natural selection favored a gene variant because it raised their reproductive success in their particular environment.</p>
<p>All right&#8211;I&#8217;m done now with this digression.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: James Arjuna</title>
		<link>http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/27/the-virus-that-learns/#comment-42102</link>
		<dc:creator>James Arjuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 02:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cancer death rates only show that cancer treatments have improved, but the average life after cancer is said to be cured if you live 5 more years.

It is the incidents that determine the degree of our genetic degradation.

According to WHO 30.4 million people die each year from genetic diseases.  In ten years we kill far more people by our ignorance of life and how destructive and genetically suicidal we are.

There are 7000 rare genetic diseases and 1 in 10 people have them.

I have thousands of statistics from all over the earth.

The one that is also startling is that for the first time in 50 years,  the last 6 years shows an increase in infant mortality in EVERY COUNTRY that reports.

The truth is not for those who cannot deal with it.  If you can&#039;t deal with this, then what can you deal with? 

The number of people suffering from genetic heart disease is 1 in 15 who need surgery.  It is 1 in 8 for those with cardio-vascular diseases.

The tebetan mutation cannot be traced to it&#039;s origin.  It may just be another remnant that is going extinct like the 1A milano.
This is because 50,000 mutation and the nature of how mutations work does not allow for magic.
The 1 A Milano is NOT being selected and proves there is no positive selection. 

People want to beleive in magic. It is a human emotional weakness.  It is far better for most emotional people to &quot;hope&quot;, even in with the amazing amounts of data that show we are degrading faster than ever. 

Check out Crabtree&#039;s article on people getting dumber and that 3000 years ago we reached the peak of intelligence according to DNA data.  He&#039;s a geneticist from Stanford University.

&lt;strong&gt;[CZ: No, the study I pointed you to shows that the Tibetan mutation experienced natural selection. It became more common because it benefited people who inherited it. But you don&#039;t even have to look at humans. You can look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;E. coli in a laboratory&lt;/a&gt;, adapting to conditions created by scientists. Scientists can sequence their entire genomes and see precisely which mutations lead to a beneficial new trait. At this point, this discussion has veered to far from the subject of the blog post: viruses with CRISPR systems. Please leave relevant comments.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cancer death rates only show that cancer treatments have improved, but the average life after cancer is said to be cured if you live 5 more years.</p>
<p>It is the incidents that determine the degree of our genetic degradation.</p>
<p>According to WHO 30.4 million people die each year from genetic diseases.  In ten years we kill far more people by our ignorance of life and how destructive and genetically suicidal we are.</p>
<p>There are 7000 rare genetic diseases and 1 in 10 people have them.</p>
<p>I have thousands of statistics from all over the earth.</p>
<p>The one that is also startling is that for the first time in 50 years,  the last 6 years shows an increase in infant mortality in EVERY COUNTRY that reports.</p>
<p>The truth is not for those who cannot deal with it.  If you can&#8217;t deal with this, then what can you deal with? </p>
<p>The number of people suffering from genetic heart disease is 1 in 15 who need surgery.  It is 1 in 8 for those with cardio-vascular diseases.</p>
<p>The tebetan mutation cannot be traced to it&#8217;s origin.  It may just be another remnant that is going extinct like the 1A milano.<br />
This is because 50,000 mutation and the nature of how mutations work does not allow for magic.<br />
The 1 A Milano is NOT being selected and proves there is no positive selection. </p>
<p>People want to beleive in magic. It is a human emotional weakness.  It is far better for most emotional people to &#8220;hope&#8221;, even in with the amazing amounts of data that show we are degrading faster than ever. </p>
<p>Check out Crabtree&#8217;s article on people getting dumber and that 3000 years ago we reached the peak of intelligence according to DNA data.  He&#8217;s a geneticist from Stanford University.</p>
<p><strong>[CZ: No, the study I pointed you to shows that the Tibetan mutation experienced natural selection. It became more common because it benefited people who inherited it. But you don't even have to look at humans. You can look at <a href="http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/" rel="nofollow">E. coli in a laboratory</a>, adapting to conditions created by scientists. Scientists can sequence their entire genomes and see precisely which mutations lead to a beneficial new trait. At this point, this discussion has veered to far from the subject of the blog post: viruses with CRISPR systems. Please leave relevant comments.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: James Arjuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Arjuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 23:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The truth is that all you have to do is open your eyes and look around. 
Do some real research and see what has happened.
In Australia 229% rise in all cancers in 25 years.  
Czech Republic 127% rise in malignant tumors in 10 years.
According to seer(dot)cancer(dot)gov the invasive cancer rates for children are a horrible statistic that people seem to want to avoid. It is something you need to realize while your﻿ actions can help to stop this.
A rise of 199.7% in Intracranial and intraspinal embryonal tumors 1975 to 2009 Table 29.3
That is unborn babies with spinal and brain cancerous tumors. 
There is nothing polite about the truth.  It just is. 
I have researched this for 45 years and have never seen one verifiable objective piece of evidence to support evolution. 
There is no way to deny that extinction is the real path of evolution OR you can try to stop the genetic degradation by understanding the causes. 
I doubt in the current condition of mankind this will ever happen.

&lt;strong&gt;[CZ: Actually, according to the National Cancer Institute, &quot;The Annual Report to the Nation on the Status of Cancer, 1975–2009, shows overall cancer death rates continued to decline in the United States among both men and women, among all major racial and ethnic groups, and for all of the most common cancer sites, including lung, colon and rectum, female breast, and prostate.&quot; Source: http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/newsfromnci/2013/ReportNation Also, you clearly didn&#039;t bother to read the paper I pointed you to about beneficial mutations in Tibetans. So you&#039;re demonstrating that you are both wrong AND indifferent to evidence.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is that all you have to do is open your eyes and look around.<br />
Do some real research and see what has happened.<br />
In Australia 229% rise in all cancers in 25 years.<br />
Czech Republic 127% rise in malignant tumors in 10 years.<br />
According to seer(dot)cancer(dot)gov the invasive cancer rates for children are a horrible statistic that people seem to want to avoid. It is something you need to realize while your﻿ actions can help to stop this.<br />
A rise of 199.7% in Intracranial and intraspinal embryonal tumors 1975 to 2009 Table 29.3<br />
That is unborn babies with spinal and brain cancerous tumors.<br />
There is nothing polite about the truth.  It just is.<br />
I have researched this for 45 years and have never seen one verifiable objective piece of evidence to support evolution.<br />
There is no way to deny that extinction is the real path of evolution OR you can try to stop the genetic degradation by understanding the causes.<br />
I doubt in the current condition of mankind this will ever happen.</p>
<p><strong>[CZ: Actually, according to the National Cancer Institute, "The Annual Report to the Nation on the Status of Cancer, 1975–2009, shows overall cancer death rates continued to decline in the United States among both men and women, among all major racial and ethnic groups, and for all of the most common cancer sites, including lung, colon and rectum, female breast, and prostate." Source: <a href="http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/newsfromnci/2013/ReportNation" rel="nofollow">http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/newsfromnci/2013/ReportNation</a> Also, you clearly didn't bother to read the paper I pointed you to about beneficial mutations in Tibetans. So you're demonstrating that you are both wrong AND indifferent to evidence.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Upton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Upton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 23:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t think of a polite way to state my opinion on this....

Over to you CZ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t think of a polite way to state my opinion on this&#8230;.</p>
<p>Over to you CZ.</p>
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		<title>By: James Arjuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Arjuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 23:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know that this is based on faith and nothing else.
It is difficult for people of any belief to realize they are wrong.
The data from DNA destroys any possible mechanism for positive evolution.
Even the ONLY viable &quot;mutation&quot; the 1A Milano is going extinct. There never has been any directed evolution towards anything.
There are 1.5 million species said to already be extinct and now 47000 are on this list, including our chimp cousins (and all great apes) that are so degraded they can hardly reproduce and cannot fend for themselves and have a very limited environment to live in. There genomes look like very sick.  The chimpanzee has about 160,000 deleterious mutations and is going extinct along with 1 in 4 mammals.
There is only a path towards extinction. 
Virus entering into the human host cells is the major cause of our degradation.  
Fetal mutations are on the rise now with 1 in 54  boys born with autism and rising.
135% rise in childhood invasive cancer in 34 years with the most in the under one year old.
There is no mechanism for evolution. There is only a constant eroding of existing genetics.
We lost 20,000 pseudo genes as well. We no longer can eat fiber plants, no longer can smell certain fragrances, no longer can we withstand living in the wild.

medical sciecne states clearly that the average human would no live past 30 to 40 years today without medical aid. 
We are in a really bad genetic condition and getting worse by on average 3 deleterious mutations per generation found so far. 
Each human has over 1000 deleterious mutations right now.
The truth is not for the weak minded.

&lt;strong&gt;[CZ: Where to begin? Where to end? The chimpanzees are edging towards extinction due to hunting and destruction of their habitat, not due to some kind of degeneration through mutation. I have no idea why you consider 1A Milano the only viable mutation. Here, for example, is a paper on Tibetan adaptation to high altitudes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2895075/ It&#039;s free. If you&#039;re going to try to list &quot;fact&quot; in favor of your case, I&#039;ll expect links to scientific literature as well.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that this is based on faith and nothing else.<br />
It is difficult for people of any belief to realize they are wrong.<br />
The data from DNA destroys any possible mechanism for positive evolution.<br />
Even the ONLY viable &#8220;mutation&#8221; the 1A Milano is going extinct. There never has been any directed evolution towards anything.<br />
There are 1.5 million species said to already be extinct and now 47000 are on this list, including our chimp cousins (and all great apes) that are so degraded they can hardly reproduce and cannot fend for themselves and have a very limited environment to live in. There genomes look like very sick.  The chimpanzee has about 160,000 deleterious mutations and is going extinct along with 1 in 4 mammals.<br />
There is only a path towards extinction.<br />
Virus entering into the human host cells is the major cause of our degradation.<br />
Fetal mutations are on the rise now with 1 in 54  boys born with autism and rising.<br />
135% rise in childhood invasive cancer in 34 years with the most in the under one year old.<br />
There is no mechanism for evolution. There is only a constant eroding of existing genetics.<br />
We lost 20,000 pseudo genes as well. We no longer can eat fiber plants, no longer can smell certain fragrances, no longer can we withstand living in the wild.</p>
<p>medical sciecne states clearly that the average human would no live past 30 to 40 years today without medical aid.<br />
We are in a really bad genetic condition and getting worse by on average 3 deleterious mutations per generation found so far.<br />
Each human has over 1000 deleterious mutations right now.<br />
The truth is not for the weak minded.</p>
<p><strong>[CZ: Where to begin? Where to end? The chimpanzees are edging towards extinction due to hunting and destruction of their habitat, not due to some kind of degeneration through mutation. I have no idea why you consider 1A Milano the only viable mutation. Here, for example, is a paper on Tibetan adaptation to high altitudes. <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2895075/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2895075/</a> It's free. If you're going to try to list "fact" in favor of your case, I'll expect links to scientific literature as well.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: chris Upton</title>
		<link>http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/27/the-virus-that-learns/#comment-42081</link>
		<dc:creator>chris Upton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 22:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My main concern is that describing viruses this sort of way is confusing for the layperson, and leads to misconceptions. 
Viruses just don&#039;t &quot;want to change their coats to avoid the immune system&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main concern is that describing viruses this sort of way is confusing for the layperson, and leads to misconceptions.<br />
Viruses just don&#8217;t &#8220;want to change their coats to avoid the immune system&#8221;</p>
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