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	<title>Comments on: Two fish families evolved electric powers by tweaking the same gene</title>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
		<link>http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2010/11/23/two-fish-families-evolved-electric-powers-by-tweaking-the-same-gene/#comment-9800</link>
		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Morena #8;

Indeed. Several writers have referred to this sort of DNA as &quot;fossil DNA&quot;, as it provides a record of an organism&#039;s evolutionary history. This would apply for both the non-functional and the functional duplicated genetic material.

I sometimes wonder whether or not &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; genes arose originally through duplication - ie is there a universal common ancestral gene, from which all surviving modern genes are descended from? Or is it more likely that there were a collection of such ancestral genes, each with its own lineage of descent all the way back to the first self-replicating molecules that stored information. Probably the original versions of all these genes would not have been DNA (they would have had the same information stored in a different molecular format, transmitting that information to descendent DNA at whatever point and by whatever process that resulted in the change to DNA for the genetic material).

I&#039;m not sure if this question of ultimate gene ancestry is answerable by current techniques, or even answerable in theory. I suppose time will tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Morena #8;</p>
<p>Indeed. Several writers have referred to this sort of DNA as &#8220;fossil DNA&#8221;, as it provides a record of an organism&#8217;s evolutionary history. This would apply for both the non-functional and the functional duplicated genetic material.</p>
<p>I sometimes wonder whether or not <i>all</i> genes arose originally through duplication &#8211; ie is there a universal common ancestral gene, from which all surviving modern genes are descended from? Or is it more likely that there were a collection of such ancestral genes, each with its own lineage of descent all the way back to the first self-replicating molecules that stored information. Probably the original versions of all these genes would not have been DNA (they would have had the same information stored in a different molecular format, transmitting that information to descendent DNA at whatever point and by whatever process that resulted in the change to DNA for the genetic material).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this question of ultimate gene ancestry is answerable by current techniques, or even answerable in theory. I suppose time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Moreno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moreno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@amphiox You&#039;re right, duplicated genes clearly are not junk DNA.

BTW I see a similarity between the two, because both are &quot;not essential&quot; DNA and they&#039;re not constrained by the same selective pressure of a one-copy functional gene. This way they have the potential to mutate and create new genes or new regulatory functions.

A recent paper (which was &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/10/20/the-origin-of-complex-life-%E2%80%93-it-was-all-about-energy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commented&lt;/a&gt; by Ed himself ) suggests that the evolution of complex life forms was driven by energetic availability, which allows to maintain big genomes and to experiment with them.

My comment was just a thought about the opportunities raised by having more non-essential DNA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@amphiox You&#8217;re right, duplicated genes clearly are not junk DNA.</p>
<p>BTW I see a similarity between the two, because both are &#8220;not essential&#8221; DNA and they&#8217;re not constrained by the same selective pressure of a one-copy functional gene. This way they have the potential to mutate and create new genes or new regulatory functions.</p>
<p>A recent paper (which was <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/10/20/the-origin-of-complex-life-%E2%80%93-it-was-all-about-energy/" rel="nofollow">commented</a> by Ed himself ) suggests that the evolution of complex life forms was driven by energetic availability, which allows to maintain big genomes and to experiment with them.</p>
<p>My comment was just a thought about the opportunities raised by having more non-essential DNA.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Yong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Yong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, this is incredible. My fellow Discover blog, Science Not Fiction, has an amazing story about a guy who &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2010/11/23/how-to-conduct-the-worlds-first-electric-fish-orchestra/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;uses electric fish to create music!&lt;/a&gt;

Note that both posts came online within hours of each other, and we didn&#039;t plan it. More convergence! Meta-convergence!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, this is incredible. My fellow Discover blog, Science Not Fiction, has an amazing story about a guy who <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2010/11/23/how-to-conduct-the-worlds-first-electric-fish-orchestra/" rel="nofollow">uses electric fish to create music!</a></p>
<p>Note that both posts came online within hours of each other, and we didn&#8217;t plan it. More convergence! Meta-convergence!</p>
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		<title>By: Aurora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aurora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, Ed - not least because now you&#039;ve left me wondering *how* these fish evolved their ability to *sense* electric fields...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Ed &#8211; not least because now you&#8217;ve left me wondering *how* these fish evolved their ability to *sense* electric fields&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re #3;

Since both gene copies remained functional, neither would have been considered to be &quot;junk&quot; DNA. It does share a mechanism of origin with some junk DNA, which arises from gene duplication events with subsequent function-destroying mutation of some of the copies.

But the loss of function mutation is most often irreversible. I think there are a few cases a sequence of previously non-functional DNA regained function or was co-opted for a new function, but these are very rare exceptions to the rule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re #3;</p>
<p>Since both gene copies remained functional, neither would have been considered to be &#8220;junk&#8221; DNA. It does share a mechanism of origin with some junk DNA, which arises from gene duplication events with subsequent function-destroying mutation of some of the copies.</p>
<p>But the loss of function mutation is most often irreversible. I think there are a few cases a sequence of previously non-functional DNA regained function or was co-opted for a new function, but these are very rare exceptions to the rule.</p>
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		<title>By: MT-LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MT-LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post, Ed.  Thanks for the good read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Ed.  Thanks for the good read.</p>
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		<title>By: Moreno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moreno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This somehow confirms the importance of what was called &quot;junk DNA&quot;: raw genetic material to play with, in order to acquire new functions. Redundancy allows system robustness, which in turn speeds up evolution!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This somehow confirms the importance of what was called &#8220;junk DNA&#8221;: raw genetic material to play with, in order to acquire new functions. Redundancy allows system robustness, which in turn speeds up evolution!</p>
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		<title>By: Walter S. Andriuzzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter S. Andriuzzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re back to your best Ed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re back to your best Ed</p>
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		<title>By: philphil</title>
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		<dc:creator>philphil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Their common ancestors had SO such abilities.&quot; Isn&#039;t that a typo ? &quot;NO such abilities&quot; makes more sense. Interesting article nonetheless.

&lt;strong&gt;[EY: Fixed]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Their common ancestors had SO such abilities.&#8221; Isn&#8217;t that a typo ? &#8220;NO such abilities&#8221; makes more sense. Interesting article nonetheless.</p>
<p><strong>[EY: Fixed]</strong></p>
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